o.O How is Ravenclaw the emo house? I'd say that was Hufflepuff, if anything...or possibly Gryffindor is more emotional, courage being arguably driven by passion, but not Ravenclaw.
I don't think the Hufflepuffs are emo at all. They rawk.
I love Ravenclaw dearly, it is my house after all, but there are a fair few outstanding Ravenclaw moments that make me wonder if another quality of the house is heightened "sensitivity".
I wouldn't call it a bad rap...that is, I don't think any of the houses are "emo" like with the silly haircuts and skinny jeans and whatnot. And they'd probably throw awesome parties, because no one would stiff on the collection! :D But the "loyal" trait just sticks in my mind as the most emotional, or emotionally aware, of the houses...or at least more emotionally aware than Ravenclaw! XD
Maybe emo is too strong, but the Ravenclaws we know a fair bit about are certainly NOT a logical bunch.
Cho Chang is a bit of a weepy mess. Michael Corner gets into a sulky snit over the results of a Quidditch match and breaks up with Ginny. The Gray Lady turns out to be a spoiled sulky brat who decides to spend the rest of her nonlife drifting around Hogwarts feeling not doing much. And Luna, though not emo, definitely operates on something of a different plane than everyone else and relies a great deal on particular beliefs and intuition and not necessarily logic.
Interesting point--but I'd argue that those are characters who serve a particular purpose in JKR's storyline and don't necessarily epitomize the traits of their house, in the same way that Crabbe and Goyle aren't very good examples of Slytherin cunning & ambition.
I also think it comes down to a matter of Spock himself--he's a Vulcan, not human, and no house at Hogwarts is going to describe his Vulcan logic because it's not a human trait. The closest Hogwarts can come is the knowledge-seeking Ravenclaw. Put another way: Kirk is constantly asking that Spock "elaborate" or "analyze." To which House would you turn with that question?
And then of course, there's the pon farr...so even if you think Ravenclaws are an emotional bunch, maybe Spock would fit in there after all! *giggles*
Point taken. They do indeed move the story forward; however, there are so few Ravenclaws who do anything in the story (unlike Slytherins and Gryffindors) it's hard to be able to say that these characters are or aren't very good examples of their houses.
I just don't see Spock's defining characteristic as his search for knowledge. He is indeed very smart and definitely curious about outer space (as is just about everyone in the federation), but I see his incredible bravery to the point of being willing to make the ultimate sacrifice at time or two as being far more definitive. This is why I would actually put him in Gryffindor.
Then again, maybe Hogwarts needs a 5th house - the house of pon farr!!!
there are so few Ravenclaws who do anything in the story
Tell me about it! And what bugs me the most is that they're not even consistent with her own descriptions of the houses! How is Ernie Macmillan, who was one of the first to condemn Harry, an example of a loyal Hufflepuff? At the time, he was only a minor character, so at the least, I'd expect him to be a cardboard-cutout, two dimensional example of his House traits! Subtlety and not judging a book by its cover is one thing, but...
Why are there no intelligent Ravenclaws, and the two highest-scoring students are in Gryffindor and Slytherin?! *sigh*
LOL! Dear lord, I'd love to see Spock and Luna in the same room...they'd either get along great or he'd end up putting the Spock Nerve Pinch on her... *snerk*
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Date: 2009-05-09 05:38 am (UTC)AND I CANNOT BELIEVE PEOPLE ARE VOTING RAVENCLAW!!!! RAVENCLAW IS THE EMO HOUSE - SPOCK IS A VULCAN!!!!!!!!
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Date: 2009-05-09 05:39 am (UTC)Well, I was thinking Ravenclaw because he's very smart. (I don't seen Ravenclaw as Emo either so ... LMAO)
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Date: 2009-05-09 06:21 am (UTC)I love Ravenclaw dearly, it is my house after all, but there are a fair few outstanding Ravenclaw moments that make me wonder if another quality of the house is heightened "sensitivity".
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Date: 2009-05-09 06:19 am (UTC)Cho Chang is a bit of a weepy mess. Michael Corner gets into a sulky snit over the results of a Quidditch match and breaks up with Ginny. The Gray Lady turns out to be a spoiled sulky brat who decides to spend the rest of her nonlife drifting around Hogwarts feeling not doing much. And Luna, though not emo, definitely operates on something of a different plane than everyone else and relies a great deal on particular beliefs and intuition and not necessarily logic.
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Date: 2009-05-09 06:32 am (UTC)I also think it comes down to a matter of Spock himself--he's a Vulcan, not human, and no house at Hogwarts is going to describe his Vulcan logic because it's not a human trait. The closest Hogwarts can come is the knowledge-seeking Ravenclaw. Put another way: Kirk is constantly asking that Spock "elaborate" or "analyze." To which House would you turn with that question?
And then of course, there's the pon farr...so even if you think Ravenclaws are an emotional bunch, maybe Spock would fit in there after all! *giggles*
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Date: 2009-05-09 03:14 pm (UTC)I just don't see Spock's defining characteristic as his search for knowledge. He is indeed very smart and definitely curious about outer space (as is just about everyone in the federation), but I see his incredible bravery to the point of being willing to make the ultimate sacrifice at time or two as being far more definitive. This is why I would actually put him in Gryffindor.
Then again, maybe Hogwarts needs a 5th house - the house of pon farr!!!
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Date: 2009-05-09 03:32 pm (UTC)Tell me about it! And what bugs me the most is that they're not even consistent with her own descriptions of the houses! How is Ernie Macmillan, who was one of the first to condemn Harry, an example of a loyal Hufflepuff? At the time, he was only a minor character, so at the least, I'd expect him to be a cardboard-cutout, two dimensional example of his House traits! Subtlety and not judging a book by its cover is one thing, but...
Why are there no intelligent Ravenclaws, and the two highest-scoring students are in Gryffindor and Slytherin?! *sigh*
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Date: 2009-05-09 03:36 pm (UTC)Okay, so maybe Spock should go into Ravenclaw just so that house has someone super awesome in it. (In addition to Luna - I totally ♥ Luna!(
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Date: 2009-05-09 03:44 pm (UTC)Now I want to draw Luna/Spock fluff. :D
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Date: 2009-05-09 03:46 pm (UTC)If you draw the fluff, I'll write the fi~c... :D *schemes*
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